I wonder, I wonder what effect that might have had on them. Gifted with wisdom, discernment, and a bit of English humor, the Briscoe's bring God's Word to life. Happened so often, I quit altogether. God is doing a new work both in the lives of the Briscoe's and in the life of Bent Tree. Growing up in a ministry family, Pete watched and learned from his parents and witnessed the reach and power of Telling the Truth 's media outreach. This is a calling. Pete Briscoe was Senior Pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, TX for nearly 30 years. Do you understand what Im saying? Their board operated by unanimity as well. It was stunning to me. Friends are important! Its biblical. Can you imagine what that does for book sales to be on stage at the Global Leadership Summit among people all over the world and touted as an expert in something? You formed a nonprofit corporation. I know that the original elders of Harvest thought they could keep James accountable despite the knowledge that he had glaring character flaws from the beginning. Gifted with wisdom, discernment, and a bit of English humor, the Briscoe's bring God's Word to life. So grateful for those who did and Scot McKnight who came out with a just a powerful, I remember when his blog hit and he said, Every elder has to resign. And within what, wasnt it a week, all of them resigned. And sadly, I think they have still. It grows on the vanilla orchid, and it only grows in really exotic places like Tahiti, and there are some places in Mexico it grows too, but what is unique about the vanilla orchid is when it blooms, its got to be pollinated within one day. Jill And so when you see behaviors that look like grooming, you know, John Calvin, Im not a Calvinist. Again, thanks so much for joining me today. To us, he was Stu, Dad and Poppa and we already miss him achingly." And I saw this at Harvest Bible chapel when I was doing reporting there. It took me a long time to agree that he had done the things of which he had been accused. Stuart Briscoe died on August 3 "of natural causes unexpectedly" according to a tweet from his son, Pete Briscoe. Its the biblical admonition, you know, to hold a knife to your throat lest you desire the Kings delicacies. Its my understanding that was a watershed moment. I think he lost it. I think one of the ways that Willow tried to reckon with the situation was to permit Bill Hybels to retire from his role at the church. And Willow lost the battle of PR on social media. Theyre not holding anybody accountable then. I mean, its an accurate criticism of people within the church. Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? Well, early on in the process after the Tribune article, we had to make a decision, How are we going to fight a machine of this size that is basically promulgating lies about these women and their families and their supporters? And I reached out to people that I already knew within, you know, the watch blogging community. Because it was lawyers advice, you know, and its like, where does the word of God play into our decision making? At the same time, hes writing a book and writing articles for Christianity Today about marriage purity. And so when I looked at that in the context of James MacDonald going, you know what, thats the type of accountability that man needed and was denied. We are egalitarian and sophisticated, and we are Gods chosen church to show how ministry is supposed to be done. etc. WebPete Briscoe answers that question by pointing us to Paul as the perfect example of one who speaks with tender boldness. And the thing about predators, Bill Hybels included, okay, is they start to do more things in public to condition you to behavior that is inappropriate, and they test their boundaries, to see what they can get away with. It took a variety of forms. I I was kind of thrust into the middle of it out of love for wanting to help my friends and man, that thing escalated pretty quickly. And Willow just, they got killed because they wouldnt respond and say the truth. Lawyer for Bill Hybels Victims Shares Inside Story. That is not a matter of policy. Pete grew up in a home with intelligent and committed parents: both Welcome to the Roys report, a podcast dedicated to reporting the truth and restoring the church. Talk to me about how you saw this playing out at Willow Creek. How does our elder board navigate things differently with that Pastor? And you mentioned to me that there were some stop signs along the way. On this episode of The Roys Report, Julie explores these important questions with Mitch Little, whos not just an attorney for victims. And we need to start on the work of reconciliation and repentance now. And you have two or three board members who go, I dont think so, they did nothing. Youre absolutely right. I do. I mean, you dont need to be trying to fit a round peg into a square hole, because it is gonna manifest itself in bad ways. So your pastor, he chose himself to step down, correct? He even cites a conversation with Darrell Bock, a member who disagrees with the elders but who also says it is not an issue worth dividing over. Yeah, my understanding of that of the history has come from interviewing witnesses, talking to people who have served in those roles and hearing their stories at Willow. About Stuart and Jill Briscoe So if you think of Willow as being a living thing, we are willing to put other things to death on the altar of preserving that organism. Its a serious analog for what happened at Willow. Thank you so much. Can I talk about Scot McKnight for a second? Well, I tried other churches and its more of the same. Yeah, apparently its not going to happen. In context, I think my meaning becomes clear as I say soon after, agreeing with Mitchs assessment that unanimity is bad: Absolutely horrible. I hear you say that and I believe in accountability really strongly. That to me, is a corruption of the role. In this Milgram experiment, they found that people are willing to do things under collar of authority and that they would not probably otherwise do. And he offers keen insights that are desperately needed as many churches today struggle to be healthy and to avoid the mistakes other megachurches have made. Briscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. The immense audio, video, and written teaching resources on our website help people who are seeking answers about God to know Christ and experience Life in all its fullness. I think the load needs to be shared. Subscribe Sign up for my daily email devotionals and to stay in touch! Today were talking with Pete Briscoe, who served as the senior pastor for nearly three decades at Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, Texas, and now consults with and coaches pastors. And I can only imagine what the economic forces are behind the scenes for that, but it really disappoints me, that that hasnt happened. And so I do think its a healthy thing when youre afraid of doing wrong, because it will be brought up and you will be held accountable. But other than that, you know, there just werent a lot of people in the larger church speaking and there had to have been a lot of church leaders who knew about what was going on and knew that there were problems with Bill Hybels. I think these women would still like to know the answer to that. Pete has offered to If they have the character to lead the accountability will help keep them you know, keep them honest, so to speak, you know, its kind of like when you put a bike lock on your bike that. I followed the Harvest situation, which I think is its own it, you know, separate facts. I wasnt throughout the representation. What I saw happen at Willow is, the board as a unit was willing to dissemble in the amount necessary to preserve the organization. You know, when you have somebody like Bryan Loritts, who when hes talking about why when he was at a former church, he didnt disclose to the church that they had a sexual predator among them for six months. WebHi friend, I'm Pete Briscoe. Mike is a dear friend and Im sad this day has come. He, Becky and their kids have been part of the fabric of BT for so long, it is I dont think I could survive the corruption I see today had I not seen so much thats good and beautiful in the church growing up. My husband and I actually bought our last car from our court and we had a great experience. Below is a link to a PDF of the article World Magazine did on a sex abuse scandal involving VOM. And heres what we have to do as people leading churches, okay, you have to understand what the signs of grooming are so one of the things that I did that really helps me, my good friend, Boz Tchividjian, put out a book through his organization G.R.A.C.E. He has been married to Jill for more than 59 years and has three children and 13 grandchildren. The news of Petes resignation landed heavy on my heart. Serving in the role of elder is a huge responsibility. And which really makes me sad because theyve had a change in leadership. Fifteen years later, I joined staff at Bent Tree. Honestly, without being a part of the Willow family at any time, I saw Bill as the best Christian leader I had encountered, by far. Well, Mitch, this has been read. Character always has to come first in hiring, then competence, and then chemistry. Basically, theyre a rubber stamp. It is not a building. "For many of you, he was preacher, pastor, mentor or friend. In the late 1990s, Telling the Truth was blessed with opportunities to expand the broadcasts overseas with a newly formed Christian radio station in London, Premier Christian Radio, which today remains the only Christian station across the entire United Kingdom, with 1.2 million weekly listeners. Pete reminds us that our goal is not to win arguments, but to win people. Well, one thing I did want to cover, and our time is getting to an end, but I know that you have dealt with having a sexual predator within your church. Also, major problems. Judson is located just 36 miles outside Chicago on a beautiful 90 acre campus. I havent seen a lot of true owning, true repenting, true confessing. And not elevated above it. James MacDonald was friends with Ed Stetzer. WebLearn More About Pete Today - Pete Briscoe God loves you to distraction, There is nothing you can do to make Him love them more or less, And, that Life with this Lover God is rich beyond description, regardless of your performance. I cant vouch for all the information because I havent researched it myself. Theres a lot of church boards that operate that way. Petes teaching and emphasis on the sufficiency of Christ leaves an indelible mark on so many of our souls. WebSince that time he has ministered on every continent, written more than 40 books, pastored a church for 30 years, and founded a media ministry called Telling the Truth which now broadcasts daily worldwide. How did that all happen? That was my upbringing. Or what is the church think about Calvinism? something along those lines. I totally agree with you Julie on how I viewed the Clergy and Church growing up. Well, again, Joining me today is Mitch Little a partner with Scheef & Stone in Frisco, Texas. I mean, there were some things that you learned specifically, that were done to potentially cover wrongdoing by Bill Hybels. For the next 90 minutes, Pete Briscoe enraptured us with his presentation of The Bema.. Then, I did what all good Christian college students did at that time I acquired a boot-leg copy of the drama and listened to it several times on my own. I think that he lost that. We needed to go to the hills and fight as guerillas, you know, what is guerrilla warfare? Then, I did what all good Christian college students did at that time I acquired a boot-leg copy of the drama and listened to it several times on my own. Briscoe stepped down as senior pastor at the end of 2000 but remained involved in the church and active in overseas missions. This was something that was very deeply ingrained in their culture. Great! I agree, Pastor Bob. This is Chicago Tribune. This is people who are dissillusioned, who wanted big jobs at Willow and didnt get them. But when Scot, the the intra tribal dissenter steps up and says, This is wrong, things shifted. The Elder Board has accepted Petes decision, and his resignation is effective March 31, 2019. WebSince that time he has ministered on every continent, written more than 40 books, pastored a church for 30 years, and founded a media ministry called Telling the Truth which now broadcasts daily worldwide. You know, Hybels daughter had her own book on Oprahs book club. We see this is the third article this month youve found worth reading. Pete grew up in a home with intelligent and committed parents: both And he realized that he had missed an opportunity to share Christs love with this person, and he didnt even feel worthy to give this message tonight, you know, and he got teared up and, and Im watching this, you know, as a 20, early 20 something right? I think it took courage and boldness on his part to be able to do that. As I look back on my own four years on staff, Im thankful for the teaching and leadership that Pete Briscoe has brought to Bent Tree, and I know that so many of us have been impacted by his attention to the Lord and quick obedience to however God leads him. Let me give you some examples. Pete Briscoe, our pastor at our church came out in support of the Dyers, which was bold, and it was brave. Pete Briscoe @petebriscoe 12 Dec 2021. Now youre a lawyer. Jill and Stuart came to the States from England. And Hybels said, essentially, Yeah, well, well do it that way. And Clinton showed up and then didnt comply with anything that the board had said. And this is a huge problem in the Evangelical Church in the southern baptist church, I mean, just absolutely massive problem where so often the predators covered up instead of brought to justice. So Mitch, thank you so much for taking the time to join me today. But as you say its Gods grace that despite all that hes used these men to bless many, despite everything. Yeah, without using any names. That goes to the guarding role that Attorney Mitch shared. Hmm. And I still havent been able to get her to visit with me. But this is the beauty of I think whats arisen is an independent media. Pete Briscoe @petebriscoe 12 Dec 2021. I thought that emails could always be recovered, even after being erased, by a good IT person. Im still waiting for the apology for the public apology for giving. And today Im excited to be speaking with Mitch Little. I was the senior pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship for nearly 30 years. They didnt have the ability to respond to new issues as they arose. How are you? The church said in essence, Tsk, tsk. So Scot, its like the scene in The Avengers when Iron Man just kind of drops out of the sky. Inside their system, they need to be guarded, governed, guided. In the early 2000s, as Stuart and Jill transitioned into minister-at-large roles and spent more time traveling to serve the global church, an additional voice was added in order to bless the supporters ofTelling the Truth. They wont produce any vanilla beans. Please know you are not alone. And I could explain why I think thats funny, but you have to have extreme accountability, the larger your platform gets. Im so glad that theyre godly men like you serving. That is a very fair question. And then everyone could say, Oh, how sad that that one person did that one thing. Briscoe stepped down as senior pastor at the end of 2000 but remained involved in the church and active in overseas missions. The Journal Sentinel reported: Elmbrook resignations are the latest to rock evangelical Christian churches. And to do that, we must avoid falling into the trap of our Christian beliefs being pitted against culture in the public sphere of debate. Whats our theology? And in the few times Ive spoken with him, I found his insights to be profound. This is simply a place where I share the message of Gods unadulterated grace through my preaching sermons and bible teaching. Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. So a young person in our high school ministry. Yeah, they eventually did. The Elder Board has accepted Petes decision, and his resignation is effective March 31, 2019. At the end of the day the aftermath of destruction is felt on so many levels by so many people and we all react differently in our humanness. But the thing that was so shocking to me, is that Bill Hy Hybels was the first pastor I had ever seen be so vulnerable from the pulpit. But theres a sense that the Church of Jesus Christ Universal is represented all throughout not just the United States but the world. Fortunately, we have not had so much as one complaint about any one of our pastors or staff members. Thank you so much. WebHi friend, I'm Pete Briscoe. This is a person who is pushing a boundary because they want to do something bad. And gratitude is where we must go in this time, as Kurt Baxter reminded us on Sunday. I dont agree with a lot of his views, but he said something and it is true, we need to have, you know, church leader needs to have two voices, one for gathering the sheep and one for scaring away wolves. Frankly I find church to be excruciatingly lonely. Funny, whenever I would watch Bill Hybels preach online or speak at the GLS, and he would go into that quavering voice, tears-in-his-eyes, emotional mode, Id stop listening. But what happens when there is a sheep within the flock who needs to be defended? WebSince that time he has ministered on every continent, written more than 40 books, pastored a church for 30 years, and founded a media ministry called Telling the Truth which now broadcasts daily worldwide. Really what it is, Julie, if we want to get down to it and go to spiritual or biblical terms, these are these are works of the flesh when were not led by the Spirit. Its M-I-L-G-R-A-M the Milgram experiment, but basically American researchers were trying to figure out after World War II, why so many in German society were willing to go along with the Nazis or go along with their leadership, do incalculably horrible things to people. The outside investigation report said something along the lines of, Bill Hybels hundreds or thousands of emails with this woman were, not available. Well, as it turns out my understanding from talking to witnesses, those emails were actually destroyed. Im so grateful now for that heritage. Pete Briscoes father, Stuart Briscoe, who I loved dearly, hes not in good health, I wish he was, I wish he could hear this and Id wish him well. This is simply a place where I share the message of Gods unadulterated grace through my preaching sermons and bible teaching. When I came onto our board, the terms that Pete Briscoe used were, guide, govern and guard. And I think policy governance has the governing part. This is just the way things are in Corinth. I have been a child of God since I was four and in ministry most of my life. Julie, thats whats so interesting about this story to me as I got deeper into it, I started to understand That, you know, when you go to the movies, and you see a story, you expect, okay, that guys the villain. I Heres my belief, Julie, I think the church at large, the big leaders in evangelicalism, we can name names if we want to, and Im sure that people have names on their mind when theyre hearing this, Why were they silent? A person whos not walking in the Spirit is susceptible to that type of behavior, even a senior pastor. But lets talk about since were talking about the media, Willow Creek had unbelievable resources at its disposal, right. He is with us today to talk about growing communication skills to improve preaching as well as how we can find deeper fulfillment in our work and lives. These are people that may be in the cubicle next to you at work, who have an acuity for blending in to normal life. Keep in touch with Julie and get updates in your inbox! But he had the emotional and spiritual fortitude to say, You know what? Pete is the son of Jill and Stuart Briscoe. And its pervasive, and people are, theyre using it. Scott Dyer was the worship pastor at Bent Tree Bible fellowship. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. What makes you stick with that model and believe it can still be used despite how badly that model has been abused? It manifested at the Human Resources level. Its designed to be fought asymmetrically. Pete served as the senior pastor at Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Dallas, Texas for nearly 30 years, and he now ministers to pastors and organizational executives through personalized, professional coaching. He gave me a few new friends here and there, people to pray with, to share with, to be coworkers in some small ministry, etc. They know there would be swift and sure discipline, if not firing, even with one mistakedepending on the severity of the misbehavior. What eventually broke the culture of secrecy and protection? Well, and it troubles me too, that so many of our Christian organizations seem to be more beholden to lawyers advice and counsel than they do the Word of God. And they were no friends of ours during the Harvest investigation either. And yet, when these issues started being raised about Bill Hybels, the larger church, other than you know, a few people you mentioned the Ortbergs, for example, they came forward and spoke. I think one of the things that happens in churches, from a deformed leadership standpoint, is requiring boards to operate in unanimity or using unity as a cudgel against people who have firm convictions about things. If you go back and you look at Bill Hybels books in retrospect, Im amazed at some of the things that are contained in his books that people became okay with. And that set the course for some of these more severe things to continue happening, and then to even get more and more severe. And I really was hopeful that there was going to be a public apology, and yet, None. The church is literally a collection of people. Okay. WebPete Briscoe, Stuart and Jills youngest son, was a key contributor to the ministrys teaching team from 2003 to 2021. For that we are forever grateful. I was blown away. They had so many churches, thousands of churches coming on board and being a part of those. And I think you hit the nail on the head. Manipulative theatrics. And if youd like to find me online, just go to JulieRoys.com. And he committed sex acts with her. Its all a Business and Power tool and stage for Virtue Signaling. Hybels at one point had a major conflict with a woman who was serving on the elder board, who was trying to hold him accountable and essentially used a reconciliation process involving some other big names in evangelicalism to essentially run her off, put her under an NDA. Why did so many look the other way for so long? And basically, my understanding is his cavalier attitude was, Well, Ill just pick up and Ill open a new church down the street [if] you dont you dont like me the way I am.. WebBriscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. How do spot a safe pastorand can. ) So, Willows pride did not allow them to see any flaws in their leadership, especially their premier leader. I encourage you to start praying again and trust God to open doors for you in godly and meaningful fellowship. They show up, they sell books. For the next 90 minutes, Pete Briscoe enraptured us with his presentation of The Bema. I was blown away. 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